OMG OMG OH. MY. GOD.

I've heard of ads with bloons TD4, and now it's finally here!!!

The graphics are different but sweet, and there are so many more maps and towers! OMG!

brb lol...

Is it possible to rotate the monkey ace? I'd like it to fly a horizontal figure-8...

btw sorry for double posting, but for the "fast forward button", mine doesn't seem to do much, nothing more than moving a 0.1 second faster...an even faster button maybe?

Nickyh -

As I understand it, the "fast forward" button works best with newer, faster computers.

Hi there, thanks JIG for the comprehensive review :). I thought I'd leap in and comment about the Fast Forward, which we thought would be handy for those slower periods in the earlier levels. Unfortunately this is only really available on faster computers, we're trying to think of a clever solution though!

Aw man. I really wish you hadn't posted this tonight. There went the past 3 hours.

I don't understand the second (loopy) intermediate level--it is too hard to follow the path they are taking.
Anyhow, props to you NinjaKiwi-this game is a blast (though maybe it is because I never played the other BTD games).

One tip for the first intermediate level:

Great fun, as expected! I was a bit concerned that the extra towers might be a bit too much, but in fact they complement the existing ones quite well.

The easy track on intermediate difficulty was possibly a little too easy - I didn't lose any lives and only had to resort to road spikes on a couple of occasions. But I guess it's a good introduction if you're not familiar with the game.

Im having quite an annoying problem, this keeps crashing my browser. I have a high end machine and all the latest plugin versions. Any ideas?

Which browser? Have you tried a different one (Chrome, IE, Firefox...)?

Im using firefox, but for some reason after trying the game many times it has fixed itsself :)

I can't even get this to load on Firefox or IE. First few times it would come up with the ad and the loading bar to about 80-90% then hang, then it finally went to 100% and just a white screen. Every load now gives a white screen, I'm wondering if the site is overloaded.

I generally like the BTD games, but all the 'mochi' stuff is a real letdown. It seems like at every point they're trying to upsell me. Not only that, but the little indicator in the upper-lefthand corner of the screen telling me how many mochi-points I have (0) gets in the way of the gameplay -- can't seem to place a tower there unless I'm in the middle of a round.

@vaccine

I would say they're being hammered at the moment so try again a bit later. I was having the same issue, though after a few refreshes it worked (albeit loaded very slowly).

Played this last night!

BTW:

Excellent, of course, but the improvement over BTD3 is minimal. A few new balloon types and a few new tower types. Meh. And they removed the branching upgrades, which is lame - now if you want to add blades to the tack shooter but don't need the range upgrade, too bad; you have to buy the range upgrade no matter what.

This seems to mostly just add a little superficial complexity and eye candy but not many new ideas.

BTD3 is one of the greatest TD games of all time, and this is about as good - so it is very good, indeed. You wish they could have taken it to another level instead of just adding a few marginal upgrades.

And a review note:
NinjaKiwi has changed the dynamics of the game for the fourth installment. Towers and other defenses unlock one at a time rather than all at once.

That's only on the first playthrough; once something is unlocked it is then unlocked from the very beginning of any new games you start. So I wouldn't say they have changed the dynamics, really - it'd be more accurate to say that they added a (forced) tutorial mode.

You can get the frag bomb mochi upgrade for free, but you still need to open an account. I don't agree with these "premium" upgrades at all (is this foreshadowing that BTD5 is going to be an all pay game?), but I thought I'd throw it out there that one of them's free.

I dont know whats wrong for me. i run Windows 7 and google chrome.. tried IE to. and same problem.. the game works but the only thing that seems to be wrong is that the speed button doesnt work at all. and its pretty annoying to wait so long when you start a new map and run those first waves. anyone has any idea whats wrong?

I'm actually not bothered that much by the Mochicoins stuff... the powerups and rank-skipping are a bit stupid (though I won't complain too much about free frag bombs), but I'm considering buying the levels. Even more so if Mochi cycles their offers frequently enough for me to get the coins without spending money or doing anything worse than trying out a MMO for a couple minutes. (though that's not likely)

I loved BTD 1-3, and 4 definitely fits well as the next step in this series. Really well done.

Can't say I'm a fan of the fact that "branching" item upgrades were taken out, that was a feature that I really enjoyed.

Other than that, superb installment. It's just a sad statement that in the end... the bloons will always win. :(

Just a note for all you casual cheapsters out there. Take a closer look at the premium upgrade menu. . . one of these things is not like the other one.

Love the game, but for some reason the fast forward actually slows my game down. I do have a fairly fast computer - macbook pro so I don't think that's it. anyone else have this?

Otherwise, very good successor to the other bloons tds.

OK. I think somethings going wrong

I start the game... it says 'loading' pops up 'choose your type' ok... 'easy'.
"welcome. on Easy, you have 200 lives etc etc etc"

No continue bar, no 'next' can't place any baloons... nothing happens.
just the maze, and that blue box. happens on easy and intermediate... can't do anything past choosing my level of difficulty. Anyone any idea's/suggestions?

Ashiel: I had a similar thing. Disabling my adblocker fixed it.

Hey I've just encountered a possibly major problem...

I have a mochi account, and my rank--well, was 20+. I started a new game, and my rank was still at 20+. I saved and loaded the game later, and my rank dropped to 9 :(

Fix it please!

You should really implement a way of speeding up the gameplay during the early waves.
Either fix that fast fwd button or make it possible to call waves early.

Seriously this game is great! I loved it! I got to levvel 58 but had to quit after think the gamer. This game is sooo addictive. And for the whiners if you hate this game or think it isn't that great or needs more stuff just think to yourself can I do any better?

I want to play this game so bad, but it wont load on my computer. time to troubleshoot!

Well, after looking around the site, it turns out none of the games that worked previously are working anymore...
I'm using IE and I believe my flash is updated, but I still get a little image on the upper left of every game, the one that shows you theres supposed to be a picture but it wont show up. could it just be that the site can't handle the traffic? If this is the case, is there a mirror available that I could play the game at?

the game doesn't work on my computer

I really don't like how if your cursor goes outside of the game window you lose whatever you had selected. I just lost about 15 balloons that I could've easily roadspiked if I hadn't kept losing the spikes I had selected.

1/5, it's broken. Like others I can manage to pick a difficulty setting, etc., but once the level loads, none of the controls except for the mute button do anything, and there are various controls even before that which look like they should do something but don't respond to clicks.

Does the fast forward button actually work for anyone?

quote :it's broken. Like others I can manage to pick a difficulty setting, etc., but once the level loads, none of the controls except for the mute button do anything, and there are various controls even before that which look like they should do something but don't respond to clicks.
unquote.
wtf is going on?

maybe we're all so fascinated by the great ideas, that our game developers forgot to work on glitch preventing and stuff...

My game works perfectly, even the Fast Forward button. It crashed at level 96 though.:p

On Firefox i had the same problem (no responding to clicks once the game started), with IE it's working but awfully slow...
please fix this!

My fast forward works fine until about level 60 then all hell breaks loose from the large amounts of balloons, super monkeys, and various explosions.

Any suggestions on how to beat the expert (last) level? I've lost count of how many times I've tried to beat it (on Easy!), but I know I've leveled up at least 4 times since starting.

EDIT: I beat it! I beat it! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I FINALLY BEAT IT!!!!

*Ahem* Sorry about that, I've been trying for days.

If anyone else is having trouble with that level, one thing that really REALLY helped me was:

after finally being able to play the game, I've found only a few things that bother me. the first is that whatever tower you have selected becomes deselected as soon as the level ends. not a major glitch, but annoying. the other is that the fast forward button practically doesn't work. I would very much appreciate it if these things were fixed, but its not essential to my play. as a last note, while attempting to buy the fraq bombs I could not connect to server so I tried again. the second attempt also failed, but 30 seconds afterward I was given the fraq bomb and for some reason had NaN mochi coins. I want to use this glitch to get some of the upgrades that cost money, but I'm afraid of getting in legal trouble so I can't. Oh well :)

Which defensive units can kill off the camo balloons?

Tonya:

To add to OtherBill's comment, @Tonya:

Personally, I think the camo bloons are an interesting addition to the game, but it's lousy that you only have a few choices to combat them. More towers should've gotten that upgrade.

More camo balloon upgrades = less FUN upgrades

how do you save the game? No save button on the screen...

douglas:

In Bloons TD 4, you can only save your game if you are become a member of Mochi Games (which is free and quick, I might add). Also, you cannot save your game once you go into freeplay, which is after you have technically beaten the map.

This game is WAY too easy once you get the Banana Research Facility... I'm up to 20,000 per level from them... the Fire Ring (Lvl 5 Tack Tower) at the end of the stage has been there for 15 levels and still has 0 kills from nothing getting that far (just passed round 82).

Died on level 88 (on hard mode)

There were literally 15 BFBs in a row (mixed in with a few MOABs and assorted Browns of course) O.O

I was a big fan of TD3, and when TD4's annoying bugs get fixed I'm sure I'll be a fan of it too... but for now the save button tells me I'm not logged in... even when I am... and the fast forward is an epic fail... making the first 10 levels or so almost too painful to put up with.

I also preferred to be able to choose which upgrades to take... so the new upgrade method is just naff.

Having said that, I love the series and I have always been a big Ninja Kiwi fan (Being a Kiwi myself helps :) - and I'm sure these things will be fixed in the fullness of time. until then I have TD3 and I will still play the occasional TD4 for the experience.

Steve

i just got MURDERED my 82, no beacons, 2 god towers

My computer is fairly new, within last year, fast forward button does nothing

can someone tell me the lv5 upgrade of glue shooter,monkey ace,monkey apprentice,super monkey and banana farm?please

I'm enjoying this one. Can't say I've played the previous ones enough to know if it's better or worse than them, but the final upgrades you can unlock for the monkeys are pretty awesome.

Here's a little of a strategy I've developed for single-entrance levels:

You guys ROCK - love the target priority and the banana farms - so good... Wish the Fast Fwd btn worked better, but still - excellent job guys!

How do you beat

This game is great,.....but there is one thing.....
The Fast Foward button should work on older computer too!.....

so banana farms are useless on acolypse???

the fast forward button works fine on my 3 year old laptop... But then again my 3 year old laptop has a better vid card than most new computers today. Thats probably whats allowing my Fast Forward to work, either that or the fact that i have a dual core processor that can handle the extra traffic generated by the button. I hope this helps in explaining why it doesnt work for some

Darn, I just crashed my browser at level 100 on the first map on Easy. The Bloon count was 355,213.

My setup was spam M.O.A.B. maulers and Glue Monkey (5th upgrade - spread)
Followed by 20-ish Triple Mortars aiming at the path
The rest was filled with Misc. towers and Research Facilities

Banana farms do not give any money after round 60 when the popup appears "you have won blah blah"

works fine after that though.

Sigh...

Warning, rant ahead:

I agree wholeheartedly with Sylocat. Furthermore it just kills all the fun for me if a game can only be beaten by signing up to some stupid organization I never wanted to sign up to. A game can't be that important. Although it is fun and I've beaten all tracks in easy mode and several in medium mode without any Mochi-crap.

At level 100 i had 11 banana research facilitys(lvl 5), 1 cannon(lvl 3), one mortar(lv 3), three spike-o-pults(lvl 3), one artic wind ice tower(lvl 5), one bucaneer(lvl 5), one stealth plane(lvl 5), one glue gunner(lvl 5), one yedi monkey(lvl 5), one tack shooter(lvl 5), 5 monkey beacons(4 lvl 4 and one lvl 5), 4 mage monkeys(lvl 5) and 31 sun gods(lvl 5). No mochicoins used. And still i allmost failed at level 100! O.o There should be more upgrades, 'cause all that towers made me lag so much so a sun god beam was slower than a red bloon is(if it's no lag).

Some ideas for BTD5(i hope they'll make one):

1. Antimatter beam for super monkeys, before or after sun god, i dunno.
2. Samurai monkey. Hits on a very small area right before it, but is pretty strong.
3.Giant monkey. Shoots mega darts. Pretty small, but it's big, so it leaves less place for other towers and cant be placed in small spaces between two roads.
4:Road spike factory. Makes road spikes cost 15 money and puts roadspikes on the track at random place sometimes(I've only used roadspikes when i tryed out what it was in BTD1, so i wouldn't use it, but maybe good for someone else)
5:Pineapple spewer. shoots pineapples at the enemy, so it only works if there are more behind the targeted bloon.

I've also drawed how I think they should look, but i haven't submitted anywhere yet.

Sorry for the long post and my english if it's bad^^(I'm from sweden)

sorry for the doubble post, but i forgot to say this: More and more games seem to be based on mochicoins(or should i say infected by?) and i really hate it >.

How do I get on the leaderboards?

Anyone know how to use the cash injection or extra lives upgrades? i click on them and it says i own 1 because i paid for the upgrades but i cant seem to use them. any help?

@ Zendikar: To get on the leaderboards, you purchase 8,000 Mochicoins and buy all the upgrades, so you can compete against the rich people.

*sigh* Sorry, I'll calm down. It is a really good game in most other ways.

However, I don't like how they changed the values of certain bloons, like the Rainbow Bloon (which now contains two zebras instead of two blacks and whites), which means the ceramic bloons and MOABs have different values now, which is a bit of a jar if you've played BTD2 and 3. Also, it would be nice for a bit more indication of how you can get your towers to detect Camo bloons (I figured it out, but it kicked my tail the first time). Also, the branching upgrades should have stayed... if anything, they should have made MORE options.

Other than that, I do like it. The unlockable-by-rank goodies do add some replay value, the Camo and Zebra bloons are pretty interesting ideas, and I love the B.F.B. (if my calculations are correct, the B.F.B. is 773 bloons).

To my question specifically, how--do--I--get--onto--the--leaderboards?

My mistake, the B.F.B. is 1,525 bloons.

where do you even put in your mochicoins stuff? i cant see it

anyone have the list of 5th upgrades for all towers?

This game is too easy with the wizard monkeys, quit on level 117 as it was killing my macbook, each level was taking like an hour and on the borderline of frozen. Whats the furtherest anyones got?

Actually the BFB is about 2700 bloons. look at the RBE of the level with just the BFB.

No offense, but why on earth did you place the banana farm in the center of the map in your second screenshot? There is plenty of room for those farms outside of the circle. What a waste of prime real estate.

this game is very slow

has anyone beaten the expert track on hard?
thats all im missing. (and i refuse to buy mochicoins)
can manage it on intermediate but on hard just cant get enough stuff to deal with them.

Anonymo -

Because I liked the look of it there and thought it would make for a nice screenshot.

theirbrains... -

Here's a list of the 5th level upgrades:

• Dart Monkey - Triple Shot Spikeopult

• Tack Shooter - Ring of Fire

• Boomerang Thrower - Light Sabre Thrower

• Bomb Tower - Moab Mauler

• Ice Tower - Arctic Wind

• Mortar Tower - Mortar Battery

• Glue Gunner - Glue Splatter

• Monkey Beacon - Monkey Storm

• Monkey Ace - Operation Dart Storm

• Monkey Buccaneer - Battleship

• Monkey Apprentice - Tempest Tornado

• Supermonkey - Sun God

• Banana Farm - Banana Research Facility

Here's a screenshot of each of the towers upgraded to level 5.

Ok I'm stuck... I can't beat Level 72 of the second board on hard... the MAOB's are unstoppable.... suggestions?

My choice combo was

The Fast Forward button doesn't really work for me, but I've found that if I open a new tab and switch over to it during a round things start moving pretty quickly. You can't see it of course, but you know it's going fast because you can hear the bloons popping like crazy.

I Really like the Game.=).
But on easy it´s really a way too easy.
just passed 110 xD
but its pretty nice and i have 25 sun gods at moment.
and everywhere are flying mokey aces..:)
but the game is NICE!!

how do u get 2 the next round!!!?!!!????!!

what,exactly, is the "8. count 'em." on level 65 referring to?

I think it means the next level.

This game basically ruined everything that was good about btd 3. I didn't mind the graphics and I didn't have to pay or sign up for anything. Good job destroying probably the best flash game of all time.

i don't understand, this im on round 87 and i have 20,000 coins. the RBE (red bloon equivelent) is roughly 90k. at the end of the round i have 66k coins, where did the other 44k coins go ?

heya, yeah i know its nothing to do with this anything hehe, but on my laptop, the modern warefare 2 trailer is making my game lag, and when i refresh or go on the website later, its the same advert! anything i do is just making it lag, so much lag because of this stupid advert for a game i hate! so is there anything that anyone to say or an advert blocker or something to help me? please help!

does the banana farm do anythin in apopalypse? and also i dont get y u ppl dont like the new upgrades. i love them! its becuase ppl like u whine tht they put it in there. it just makes the game more difficult which i think is good. the only thing i have 2 complain bout is the sun god. i think it should cost less or do more dmg... i bought like 3 of them n they did much less then the equivelent in plasma monkeys or laser monkeys.

I've played this game, and, well, I'm not sure how to say this...

When I saw the BFB (which I thought stood for big fat bloon untill the game corrected me) I thought, That thig is HUUUUGE!
On a more serious note, I loved how the towers complimented each other, and how you can now choose to target the strongest or weakest bloons.
Also, I think there should be a "Bloon of End" at level 100, with 10 BFBs inside it.
Just an idea. After all, every game needs a final boss.

i went all the way to rank 32.

This game is AWESOME! I absolutely loved Bloons TD 3, but this one seems to be better in almost every way. However, a few things:

1. Now that there's a cooldown period on the monkey storm, we should be able to build more than one monkey storm beacon.

2. Do banana farms do anything on apopalypse? If they don't, they really should, they're a really great addition to the game and it would be a shame to see them go to waste in an entire mode like that.

Hopefully they'll address these things when they add in the map editor and fix that fast forward button.

I can't seem to get past the hard track on hard I'll get the 75 lvl and the screen will go blank and I can't do anything and then my screen goes back to BTD4 and it says Game Over any suggestions

sorry for double posting but I cant seem to get past lvl 75 on it my screen keeps going blank

I had another idea:

After all, I think that it it silly you can just set up an account and be #1 witout trying.

Sorry for another post, but...
PUT IN A QUALITY BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!
Now it is lagging so much it takes several minutes per level. I would rather put the quality to low, and finih the level quickly.

I'm up to level 53 and I've made it through the first 4 tracks on hard and track 5 (the omega shaped track) on easy, but I can't seem to beat it on medium...much less hard. Any tips would be appreciated

Oh...and I agree with the comments about browser lagging and the fast forward button.

http://imgur.com/nY2gJ.png

Victory, no tricks, no cheats. Got to level 80 before losing on Hard on Expert.

Mine works perfectly. I have never had any trouble with it an I have gotten to level 96 recently. My theory is that it works differently for everyone and randomly decides whether to work, have problems and then work, or to not work at all. Otherwise, it is a great game and I agree with whoever it was who said you should be able to earn the premium upgrades from different accomplishments. Have fun!

Just for those of you whose strategy is to put down as many banana farms as possible and then have enough money to do pretty much whatever you want, did you know

I am a long time bloons fan (well only the td versions). I love the new operation dart storm and the 'obi won kenobi' monkey towers. The graphics are sweet and the maps are ok BUT. three things
1.the fast forward button is completely pointless
2.the banana research facility makes it way too easy
3.and mostly... I want the premium upgrades but there's no way I'm paying for a free flash game!

sell outs...

For all those complaining that a flash game wants you to pay:

You do know you're getting most of the game for free, right? That's better than many games give you. Games take time to produce. And effort. Lots of both. So, if ninjakiwi is looking to get a little compensation for their game, don't blame them. I don't see you all cranking out free flash games. Sheesh.

i love bloons games but just cant get the controls for it... it is stuffed on mine:(

How do you pop camo bloons? My towers just ignore them.

lol, easy thing to do on easy

The fastforward button doesnt work, after around 76 or so, the variety of the levels is no more. It gets boring and not dynamic at all....heres how to never ever die on medium easy level.

I can't win on the Advanced level, Medium difficulty, no matter what I do. I always lose on the last wave. Lately I'm using mostly cannon towers upgraded to the max, plus ice towers (ditto). Help! Thanks!

I really don't like the MochiCoins... But I really love all the upgrades! So freaking awesome.

Never mind -- I finally did it. I should've known that posting a question would guarantee that I would solve it later the same day. :D

How did you do this? I mean Advanced Level? :-)

I managed to beat advanced on medium (don't ask, I don't remember how. A lot of glave throwers if I remember correctly).

If anyone has a strategy to beat the Advanced track on hard, let me know. I can't for the life of me figure it out.

There is no strategy to the game for me. just buy mortars and keep moving the targets. i got to level 179 on hard and advanced. the rounds take like a freakin hour tho.

This is a fun game. But if you play the intermediate and expert levels on hard, I believe they are impossible to win without buying upgrades. I understand wanting to make money, but this is really lame. As another poster has said, the High Score Board is only for those who can afford it. The game's web page gets plenty of traffic and probably brings in decent advertising revenue, for what it is. When they make Bloons Tower Defense 5, I hope the higher levels are winnable without upgrade$.

To all who wish for their "fast forward button" to actually work "FASTER":

I was playing Bloons TD4 and I accidentally hit the right mouse button on my mouse while i already had the left mouse button held down on the fast forward button. At first I thought it had froze my screen, because I couldn't click on anything on my current page. I simply minimized my page and meant to bring it back up so it would almost to refresh it.

It turns out, when you minimize it with the sort of error i explained earlier, the game starts actually going fast rather than the tenth of a second increase of speed.

So simply: 1. Click and hold the left mouse button on the fast forward icon. 2. Simply click the right mouse button at the same time. (this should make your screen almost unresponsive)3. Then minimize the internet page.

It helps if you have sound on so you can hear when the round ends. So just keep starting this after you begin every round that seems to take FOREVER!!! IT SAVES A LOT OF TIME :)

This way works on my computer, not sure if it works on everyone elses? Just thought I'd post what I discovered.

Also... forgot to post with earlier post...

This sort of fast forward post I sent earlier, you really cant notice it during the lower levels but when you get about to 30 and up your levels will go by in about 30-45 seconds instead of 5 minutes. CAUTION: when you have your screen minimized you cant tell if there are balloons that are going to get to the end so; MAKE SURE YOUR DEFENSES ARE PLACED WELL!!!

I accidentally lost at 71 because of that. lol

Addicted... awesome game

The ff forward does nothing, and I have a brand new lightning-fast Macbook Pro. If it doesn't work on this machine, what the heck does it work on?

awesome game love the graphics can anyone give me a tip on where to place the towers

Ya banana research facility(BRF) definitely spoils the fun. I am getting enough money to make a Sun God every round just from the BRFs. There is no more space to put any towers on land or in water I just keep adding monkey aces with full upgrades. Just passed level 101 and have 228287 in the bank lol. I am on the level with the earth on it. I have 6 fire rings, 4 arctic winds, 3 glue monkeys full upgrade, 4 fully upgraded boats and tons of MOAB maulers and sungods, oh and a few radio towers.

I've come to the conclusion that the Advanced track is impossible on hard without premium upgrades. If it's not impossible, there must be something I'm missing, because I keep getting slaughtered at about round 71 or 72 at the latest.

Please...if anyone has any tips, let me know! This is driving me NUTS!!!!

guess what got to lvl 98, had 6 sun god monkeys 5 of the monkey aces to the final upgrade 3 battleships about 8 or 9 mortar batterries and like 10 monkey wizards at the final stage as well as like 20 moab maulers and some glue gunner ppl at the final stage had 4 banana research facilities, and then i had like 30 b.f.b.s

come at me got most of them down then i lost and they were STILL coming through yeah so i am gonna try on easy this time to see how far i can get

I finally finished the Expert track on Medium. I thought that was going to kill me!

The game doesnt get any harder on apopcalypse mode after lvl 70 or so.. I left it on for a few hours without building any more towers and the bloons were dying at the same position when i finally decided to end the game at lvl 88 or so. I'm fairly sure I could have left it on for indefinete amount of time. I was playing the easiest track though. Still, a pity.

This game is too easy.
I posted some pics of me winning on hard.

Switch to another tab during the round to have the game run faster.

Bloons Tower Defense 4 Unlockables

This is my first post I hope you like it.

[Formatted ~Kero]

Died on round 100
Map: Easy 1
Money left:18617
I had: 32 MOAB Maulers
12 Sun Gods
10 Splatter Glue Gunners
1 Super Monkey Beacon
6 Monkey Beacons (Camo Detect)
4 Battleships
8 Mortar Batteries
3 Monkey Aces (Operation: Dart Storm)
12 Lightsaber Throwers
5 Banana Research Facilities

Now I am at rank 56.

On level 73 I made 10 Banana research facilities. That helped me get 20000 cash per round and also helped me make 17 sun gods. I beat level 100

Everybody says each level takes 1 hour, but right now (I'm on level 85) my levels take just about 3-6 minutes.

Anyone know which is more powerful?

I don't know if any one does know. Please let me know.

I'm playing on Sandbox. I'm rank thirty and I've placed 8 Sun Gods, 1 triple shot, 1 battleship, 1 M.O.A.B Mauler, 1 ring of fire, 1 grand wizard, 1 lightsabert thrower, 1 glue splatter, 7 banana research facility, 1 monkey storm beacon thing, 1 Operation Dart Storm jet and 1 Ice Tower with arctic wind. I am on the easiest course. I have sent about a million of everything (no joke: it actually is about a million of everything) and the ice tower, which is on the inside of the third to last corner, has a pop count of 415. Not a lot of bloons get that far, do they?

Easy seems a little easier than in BTD3 but I'm loving the Mortars, may take the Tack Shooter's place of my favorite tower =)

Going on apocalypse level 110 on the easiest map (the first one). Bloons don't get out of the first corner. Have to see if bloons can get through the defences before I wake up. :P

Does anyone know when the levels end? I passed level 112. I kinda want it to end. I'm on easy on the easy map. I wanted to see how far I could get. Does anyone know if it ever ends?

So, I am on level 98 of the easy track, playing on Hard difficulty. I have 16 banana research facilities, and almost 100 (yes, one hundred) fully upgraded Monkey Wizards, nothing else. I have almost covered the entire track with towers and I have $209,909 cash in the bank.

I think it has been pointed out on other webpages, but the Monkey Wizard, when fully upgraded, seems to be the single most powerful tower in the whole game. Cheaper AND better than the Sun God monkeys. It spits out these tornados that pop 120 balloons at a time while pushing them away from the exit. If you get 20 or 30 of these tornados flying around, no bloon can possibly escape.

I warn you, the lag is horrendous at such a high level, and in round 98 I popped 341,904 bloons (in just one round), which takes over ten minutes to finish.

I'm going to leave the game on and see how high a level it will go to.

what i did was (after i got all the upgrades) was put three dart monkeys near the begining, and after a few rounds put up 3-4 spike towers near some corners, then after a few more rounds, upgrade them to the blade shooter level then wait then get a banana farm (upgrade it to the banana republic), then buy the ring of fire for the spike towers and keep putting in more spike towers around at top level, totally upgrade at least 3 banana farms, and get one mortar tower and aim it at the begining of the level to get rid of the camouflage balloons (top level). you want the whole level to be fire spike towers, 1 mortar tower, at least 3 banana farm research facilities, and if you want, 1 magician top level so the balloons that do make it near the end go back to the top.

I'm on round 99, Easy difficulty, Easy map and I've yet to lose a life. I've found the key is variety. Each tower is great in it's own right...I've heard many different theories and which towers are better than which. Grand Wizard vs. Sun God for example. They both serve a different purpose. The Grand Wizard's job is to save your ass when the balloons get too far. Therefore, keep a few (I have 6) at the bottom to push them back up into an onslaught of death and mayhem. The Sun God's job is to kill A LOT of balloons. It does it's job well. My top Sun God has 90,000 kills. This is out of 4 Sun Gods. Each having about 85,000 kills aside from one who is slacking with about 20,000. He'll be punished later. Glue Gunners/Ice Towers, while CAPABLE of popping balloons, shouldn't be relied upon to do so. They have a specific purpose, just like the rest of the towers. Use each for what they are meant to do.

Here is a basic set of rules and why to follow them. (While this may seem like common sense to some of you, please remember, we're not all brilliant.)

1. Place your towers according to the terrain.
Why: You'll get a lot more use from say a tack tower in a groove than to the left/right of a straight path. |o

2. Don't keep tower types together. Spread them out across the road.
Why: You won't always pop balloons in the same place. Especially further down the line when you have to deal with giant blimps and you want to hit them with all you've got.

3. Mind your money.
Why: You can start the game with 1 tower and finish off the first 30 rounds and then you can just place Banana Farms to set up for your future. Examples: A Buccaneer can take out a good chunk of the levels on the earth map all by itself.

4. Know your towers.
Why: As said before, each tower has a certain purpose. They're all valuable in their own right. Know what is best for each situation as you progress. This will allow you to utilize the terrain better as well. Such as setting mortars to attack the center of two paths. |o|

5. Road Spikes, Monkey Glue and Pineapples are useless.
Why: If you're in need of them at low levels...you've got a problem. Higher level, there are so many balloons, you're just wasting your time and money.

That should do it...I hope this helps some of you. Enjoy the game. :)

For anyone still trying to beat the advanced track on hard, it is DEFINITELY possible to do withOUT paying for any upgrades.. (currently working on the Expert map..). My strategy with it is as follows (and I use spoiler tag just in case.. i forget what all is a spoiler in this game..)

Banana Research Facility produces 2000 per round
Mortar battery : Triple the pain
Glue Gunner : Affects a large area around impact, soaking up to 20 balloons at once
Monkey Ace : Our darts will block out the sun
Super Monkey : Legends speaks of a being that fears no bloon
Ice Tower : Extreme cold slows down anything that comes near the ice tower

Hope that helped ask me for more if you need anything

Hegdie ^D^

The sun god tower basically shoots triple plasma beams, possibly faster than plasma but I'm not sure.

I don't think the ring of fire towers get enough respect. They're cheap and greatly powerful due to area effect. Area effect means no matter the number of bloons, they'll be just as effective. Combined with an ice tower in a bend, 3-4 can destroy anything that's not a blimp. During the later levels, I think that outpowers sun gods due to sheer volume of bloons. For the price of a sun god, you can buy around 10 rings of fire. If the map has the space needed and doesn't branch too much, you're way better off with the rings. You should have maulers for the big stuff anyway.

how do you upgrade your towers????

Loz is right.

I can use fast forward until about level 85, I run on an i7 and 1GB graphics card, I think the real problem is browser code, and game code, it can't take so much stuff. I think in the next one level 100 should contain an even larger target, should you decide to keep going after final of the map, and should have more than just 5 upgrades to keep you going after a certain point, so that that 100,000 you have from sitting around and beating levels can really come in handy, like a level6 upgrade, that costs a lot of money but is really worth it. I personally would like a spike layer, and spikes to last into future rounds when they aren't used.

Anyone know why I can't save now that I'm on Level 125 on the Easy Mode? I remember seeing a save button when I was playing on Hard Mode, does it only appear on that mode? Did it disappear once I got past the normal amount of levels?

Really want to know cause I'm eventually going to have to turn my computer off and with every round taking almost an hour I'm just not going to have the time to break any records and I really don't want to start over.

It is all about the boomerang monkey. I didn't think much of them in B3 but, man, those guys are my workhorse. Also, it took me a while to figure out but unlike 3, the spike-towers are worthless. Well, that isn't true. They are great at the lower levels (like how I remember them from 3) but they just can't keep up at the higher levels.

Throw some wizards and anti-MOAB towers plus some monkey aces and you'll make it to level 100 on hard everytime.

Well, except the last map. I've having trouble getting past a level in the mid 90s on that one.

Also: bananna farms are key (duh)

The highest I've ever been is level 96, but I'm still working on it xD

I'm playing Track 5 on Medium and just passed level 101. My map is filled with about 40 Sun Gods and 30 MOAB Maulers plus a bunch of Monkey Wizards and Fire Rings. It's getting darn hard to pass each level now, they are throwing so many BFBs at you, and at about half a million RBEs per round, it takes a while to run through them.

I am wondering though, if anyone knows which one is more effective against MOABs and BFBs: Sun Gods or MOAB Maulers? Has anyone run this past the sand box and find out the answer?

NOOO!! I got to lvl 81 then died. It totally stinks. I had like eight supermonkeys.

i got to level 94 on easy map difficulty easy. after lvl 60, turn of the in-game music, and open iTunes. it helps a lot.

Hi, i know all unlockables

these are my tactics. using these i have got to round 102 and i had about 50 sun gods lol

>after lvl 60, turn of the in-game music, and open iTunes. it helps a lot.

How do you turn off the in-game music and not the computer's sound overall?

@JIGuest:

I love BTD4 but I keep running into the same problem when i get to the higher levels. The RBE will say I have 4000 for example but at the end of the round I end up with only 1500. It's driving me crazy coz I cant upgrade my weapons very quickly.Does anyone else have this problem?

i have a question...

nice game, love the rank system, graphics and the upgrades. the MochiUpgrades are a tad too much for me, the eternal cheapster. for the highly likely sequel, heres an idea: put the Mochi Uprades as part of the rank system-rank 32 unlocks the last reguler upgrade then rank 34 on medium unlocks a special, 34 on hard unlocks a better version of the medium special and so on

and FYI the bloon order is

black-no bomb
white- no ice
camo- invisible to most
spoilers are to show order during combat
not cause its a secret :)

If you want to get a mochi games account is it free?

[Edit: Yes, mochi games accounts are free. -Jay]

the account is free, but you buy coins for it to get perks in various games

hey guys i got an easy way of finishing the easiest map on easy... first get a battleship and put it on the water and upgrade it up to the max (if u are rank 23+). After this buy a tack shooter and upgrade this to the max (put this near the start and after the first bend) just keep playin until u can buy a super monkey... yu may wanna put down some road spikes and destroy them with pleasure. Plz rate if yu find out this acctually works... if it does and yu want me 2 solve any more then plz ask i can do anything... not :) anyways good luck

I've been running this for over 4 hours alone and unsupervised. track 1 in apopalypse mode (btw since taking this screen shot i've gone up to round 201!). The Bloons never make it to the straightaway on the top, let alone past it. I had banana research facilities (5 of them) to start, but removed them around round 110 and replaced them with more explosives.

glad this made it to the best of 09. btw Lexi, if you upgraded those mortars, you would move the "death line" back a bit. "death line" is the point where all bloons die continuously.

just died cause my magic monkey didnt use his tempest spell on a horde charging at the exit

Description of all Bloons:

Red

Blue

Green

Yellow

Pink

Camo

Black

White

Zebra

Rainbow

Brown (ceramic)

MOAB

BFB

Unlockables:

These were from cjquines I just did a little editing.

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