Kagi Nochi Tobira 2


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JayKagi Nochi Togira



Games like this are great!
But there's always one bad one—
Number Seventeen.

(Guy Zap)


Back to the basics again with Kagi Nochi Tobira 2, the simple and original puzzle game sequel to the very well-received Kagi Nochi Tobira from September of last year.

The objective is very easy to understand: find the key, then find the door. How you go about doing that is unique to each level.

There's not much else to say other than the raw creativity and sense of discovery in these simple puzzle games create an exceptionally engaging and appealing experience. Similar in concept to the Hoshi Saga series. Another example of why simple ideas are often among the most fun!

Play Kagi Nochi Tobira 2

Thanks to Psychotronic and Valarauka for getting the haikus started. Share your haikus about Kagi Nochi Tobira with us in the comments, and you may see them show up in the review. :)

For other similar games, try the Hoshi Saga series.

Walkthrough Guide


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Walkthrough:

  1. for level one, click on the book to open it, Then, take the key on the left and click the door on the right.

  2. drag the magnifying glass over the picture. A bit to the right, and a bit down, from the moon, you will find the key. The door is in the lower-right corner, in one of the buildings.

  3. Click the light switch. When you do this, your mouse movement will be reversed. Move your mouse in the direction opposite to the direction you want it to go in. Click the key and click the door.

  4. Click and hold your mouse in the same spot on the circle for a while to get the key. Then, click several times in a row, and the circle will fall, revealing the door.

  5. Click and drag the circle in an inwards spiral, following the arrows. When you reach the middle, and the key becomes visible, drag it outwards along the same spiral to get the door. Click the key, then click the door.

  6. Click and drag the circles to the edges of their bars to see the number of the real key/door. Count from left to right, top to bottom. Each row contains ten items.

  7. Right-click the key and click on "get the key." Then, right-click the door and click "open the door."

  8. Click the hanging rectangle. Click and drag downwards while holding the rectangle over the box to thump it. The key is on the left side, near the middle of the board in height, and the door is on the right.

  9. Click middle-left, middle-right, bottom-right, top-left, middle-middle. Click the switch and get the key. Click the switch again. Then click top-left, top-right, bottom-left, bottom-right, and middle. Click the door.

  10. U=up, D=down, L=left, R=right. Click these keys:U*4,R,U*2,R,U*2,L,U,R,U*2,L,U*2,L,U*8,R,U*4,L,U*3,
    L,U,L, and press the switch. Then press R,U*3,L,U*3, and get the key. Now, press D,U*3,R,U*2,L,U*5, and take the paper. Write the code somewhere, as you'll need it later. Finally, press D,U*5,L,U*2,R,U*3,L,U*4,L,U*8,R,U*2,R,U*2,L,U,R,U*4,R,U,L,U*2, and click the door, which is in the middle of the wall. It blends in, but you can find it by the doorknob.

  11. Halfway Break!

  12. Shoot lines spaced thinly in the block. When you find the key, click on it, then click on the door.

  13. Click the switch, and move your mouse away from the squares. If they hit your mouse, you must start over. Click the key, then click the door.

  14. Click the / file, then click K, then E, then Y. Take the key. Click the X in the upper right corner of the window.Click the file again, and click D, then O, then O, then R. Click the door.

  15. Right click to see which mouse your mouse is and move it to the key. Click the key, right click to find your mouse again, and move it to the door. Click the door.

  16. Click "LOAD." Drag the loading bar to the right to get the door, and then drag the "LOAD" button down to see the key. Click the key, then click the door.

  17. 3/4 Break!

  18. Move your mouse along the right side of the envelope until a part folds up. Click it and quickly drag it to the right. If it does not come off fully, drag to the left, and then right again. Click the top part of the envelope, and drag up quickly. Take the key. Click the tab that you pulled off. Click the door in the middle of it.

  19. Quickly move your mouse back and forth across the fan until the block above it lifts up. Quickly click the key. Click the door.

  20. 7/8 Break!

  21. Click the key. Click the sword. Cut one block off at the very top, and the other above the line between the dark and light sections. Do this before the first block grows back. Click the door.

  22. Make the numbers say 3+5=8 to get the key. Take one block from the 8, and make the numbers say 3+6=9 to get the door.

  23. Take the code from level ten, and enter it into the 5 blocks at the top. Each number corresponds to the number of clicks necessary. This will unlock the door. Then, click the keypad in the middle (looks like a lego brick.) Click to the right of it. Take the key and open the door.

  24. Turn the sounds that you like on. Wait for the credits to finish scrolling by. Click the key. Click the door.

END!

Walkthrough:

  1. Open the book, get the key, open the door.

  2. use the magnifying glass to find the key in the sky, then use it on the door on the bottom right of the city.

  3. Turn ont he light, get the key and open the door. Your mouse is reversed.

  4. Click the coin, don't move your mouse. Then click the token a few times to reveal the door.

  5. Drag the circled around the sprial course following the arrows, and then drag it backwards around the course. Don't let go.

  6. Drag the circles at the bottom to the side to reveal what number to pick.

  7. Right click the objects.

  8. Pick up the board at the bottom. click and drag down to smack the board against the wall. The left middle area has the key and the right middle area has the door.

  9. Turn on all the lights on the left to get the key and then turn them all off to get to the door.

  10. this one is just a maze. The key is in the top right corner of the maze, and the door is in the wall on the top row of the map, 4th space in. The map looks like it was going to spell KEY, the door is in the upper right part of the K.

  11. Use the bullets to drill a hole in the block. The key was in the middle for me.

  12. When you turn on the light something will chase your cursor. Don't let it touch or you will have to try again. The key is where the thing that chases you comes from.

  13. Open the files to spell KEY, go back and then open the files to spell DOOR.

  14. This one is a bit confusing, but if you move your mouse outside of the window you will be able to follow it easier when you go back in because you will know where it started.

  15. Click load, it will stop part way, just drag the loading bar over to finish. Drag the LOAD button down to find the key.

  16. Ther is a tab on the left of the box, drag it to the right, and then drag the top portion up to find the key. The door is one of the parts of the tab you dragged over.

  17. move your mouse back anf fourth across the fan at the bottom quickly untill the platform the door is on raises, and then quickly grab the key, then open the door

  18. Grab the keu, then grab the sword. Click to cut over where the sword is, keep cutting the darker portion at the top until you get to the door.

  19. 3+5=8, and 3+6=9

  20. Okay so you need to go back to level 10. Remember when I said it looked like it is spelling KEY? Well it is. There is a switch on the wall on the left opposite the stem of the Y. That code will reveal the door in room 20. The key is on the right side of the pad. Zoom in and then click on the right.

Haiku-through

Are you getting stuck?
Want the answer for one room?
Read just that haiku!

  1. The key is inside.
    Open the book to find it.
    Then click on the door.

  2. Magnifying glass.
    Look for the key near the moon.
    Bottom right, the door.

  3. Click the switch. Your mouse
    Reverses. Click on the key.
    Then click on the door.

  4. Click the spot, then wait.
    Don't move until the key's shown.
    Clicking spot shows door.

  5. Drag spot, following
    The arrows. Drag back to start.
    Click key then click door.

  6. Drag the circles back
    And forth. The numbers show where
    The key and door hide.

  7. Right click on the key.
    "Get the key" from the menu.
    Do the same with door.

  8. Click the bottom shape.
    Drag shape on box to find key.
    Key left, door on right.

  9. Click small squares to change
    The pattern. Bright for key, dark
    for the door. Use switch.

  10. A maze. The map spells
    KEY. Don't miss the switch in Y.
    Door in K's right arm.

  11. Click to fire at shape.
    The key is somewhere inside.
    Random every time.

  12. Click switch. Avoid the
    Orange square. Get the key fast,
    Then click on the door.

  13. IMAGE is a clue.
    Folder K E Y for key.
    Same thing for the door.

  14. Lost mouse? Just right click
    To work out where you are now.
    Click key, then click door.

  15. Click LOAD. Drag LOAD down
    To find key. Drag loading bar
    To load hidden door.

  16. A box with zipper.
    Drag tab at left. Drag lid up.
    Find door on used tab.

  17. See fan at bottom?
    Move mouse left-right fast! Lift door.
    Quickly grab the key!

  18. Click key, click sword hilt.
    Click to slice the *darker* shapes.
    Lo and behold, door!

  19. Digital display.
    Make 3 and 5 equal 8.
    Same with 3, 6, 9.

  20. The keypad has key
    On right side. Corner button
    Shows the number scheme.

    A code from room 10
    Must be entered in spaces.
    Click switch, door. You win!

118 Comments

Love this game. Just starting now, see how it goes.

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YES! The first one was one of my fav games! *dances*

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Hmm, I seem to be stuck on both 7 and 8.

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:10 PM

#7 has me baffled.

All I can do is get the mice to squeak (very annoyingly) and change positions. They seem to have only two positions each.

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:12 PM

For #8:

when you have grabbed the rectangle, position it over the larger rectangle and then click and hold. You'll see something happen, and then release. You may have to repeat a couple of times to get both the key and the door.

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repairmanman March 14, 2009 6:14 PM

level #7

they are mice think what your mouse can do

not left but...

right click

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Stuck on #16, #17 & #20.

For #7, which stumped me too:

The mice (are they mice? devils?) dart out of the way when you left click on them. How can you get around that?

For #8

You can pick something up. Try doing different things with the mouse and mouse buttons once you have the tool.

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Any hints on 20? :<

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For #7:

Simply right-click the objects :)

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SonicLover Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:28 PM

For #16:

Unzip, open the flap, then check out what you tore off.

17 and 20 are still driving me nuts...

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For 17:

Think about how you can get the propeller to move.

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Coremill March 14, 2009 6:32 PM

The "Play Kagi Nochi Tobira 2" link seems to go to the first game and not the second.

[Edit: Oops. Thanks, fixed. :) -Jay]

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#16:

I know how to move the flap. I know where the door is, no clue where the key is.

#17:

I figured this one out. It's clearly a fan, so create wind with your mouse movements.

#20:

Figured out how to get the door (It gives you a hint on where to go in the images. No clue on the actual key.

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SonicLover Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:34 PM

The damn thing's moving, but it's not doing any good!

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Make it move faster. :P

My thoughts on 20:

The two greyed out pictures on the bottom resemble the maze, perhaps they're connected in some way. The maze spells out "KEY, except the bottom stem of the Y is missing. Perhaps that has something to do with 20? I can't seem to make any progress with it.

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:37 PM

#16:

Ripped the tab. See the door. Where's the key?

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Earth.exe Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:38 PM

as soon as i figure out #20, i might make a walkthrough

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for 17:

You don't need the mouse button to make the prop move

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:38 PM

#17:

You have to get the prop moving and keep it moving pretty fast. Then you have to time it just right to get the key.

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SonicLover Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:39 PM

Dan: I got stuck there for a while, too.

Yank the flap up. Hold the mouse down and YANK!

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repairmanman March 14, 2009 6:39 PM

unopenable,
door taunting me forever,
must find that key now.
haiku by manman of repairs(not so sure that i have the right syllable count(its 5/7/5 people))

[Edit: added. :) -Jay]

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:40 PM

#16:

OK, found the key. Fiddle around with the "box top."

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Help with 10 please. I have the key but i cant find the door

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#20:

I can open the door by finding the note on the bottom stem of the 'Y' (There's a latch on a wall near the stem')

No idea on getting the key though. I've explored pretty exhaustively.

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Independent Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:46 PM

I'm stuck on #10. I just can't figure out the meaning of the arrows. Clicking them in random order just changes the picture.

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sjdhalkjfgs Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:46 PM

16 still doesn't make sense to me.... and I'm stuck on 17 and 20 as well.

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Can't get 10.

So it spells out key, got the key, finished the Y, and got those numbers. What do the numbers mean?
37274

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The image link appears to go to the first game...

[Edit: Thanks, Tom. Massive copy/paste/edit/fail for me on this one. -Jay]

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For 7:

I had to click a few times, but there's a spot where you can turn the mice around, and then get the key/ door

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:54 PM

FanIQ:

The number appears to be for #20, not #10. If you have the key, you need to find the door, which is at the end of another corridor in the maze. You've probably already seen it, but may not have noticed it, as it's just the little doorknob shadow that gives it away. If you still can't find it:

Top of the upper arm of the K

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Anonymous March 14, 2009 6:57 PM

I got the key and the code in 10 but now what?

20

To get the door, use the code that you got from level 10 (14134 in my case but could be random. Don't know how to get the key

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Dan Someone Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 6:57 PM

#20:

The code changes each time you quit and return, so you have to keep going back to the maze. Also, if you enter the code, the door comes up, but then the code buttons no longer function, so presumably the key is achievable some other way, or you have to get it first.

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Anonymous March 14, 2009 7:01 PM

the only thing i have for #20 is

click and hold the circle on the bottom left of the panel and it shows the simbols above it.

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repairmanman March 14, 2009 7:01 PM

um i need help finding the code
and using it

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Walkthrough:

  1. for level one, click on the book to open it, Then, take the key on the left and click the door on the right.

  2. drag the magnifying glass over the picture. A bit to the right, and a bit down, from the moon, you will find the key. The door is in the lower-right corner, in one of the buildings.

  3. Click the light switch. When you do this, your mouse movement will be reversed. Move your mouse in the direction opposite to the direction you want it to go in. Click the key and click the door.

  4. Click and hold your mouse in the same spot on the circle for a while to get the key. Then, click several times in a row, and the circle will fall, revealing the door.

  5. Click and drag the circle in an inwards spiral, following the arrows. When you reach the middle, and the key becomes visible, drag it outwards along the same spiral to get the door. Click the key, then click the door.

  6. Click and drag the circles to the edges of their bars to see the number of the real key/door. Count from left to right, top to bottom. Each row contains ten items.

  7. Right-click the key and click on "get the key." Then, right-click the door and click "open the door."

  8. Click the hanging rectangle. Click and drag downwards while holding the rectangle over the box to thump it. The key is on the left side, near the middle of the board in height, and the door is on the right.

  9. Click middle-left, middle-right, bottom-right, top-left, middle-middle. Click the switch and get the key. Click the switch again. Then click top-left, top-right, bottom-left, bottom-right, and middle. Click the door.

  10. U=up, D=down, L=left, R=right. Click these keys:U*4,R,U*2,R,U*2,L,U,R,U*2,L,U*2,L,U*8,R,U*4,L,U*3,
    L,U,L, and press the switch. Then press R,U*3,L,U*3, and get the key. Now, press D,U*3,R,U*2,L,U*5, and take the paper. Write the code somewhere, as you'll need it later. Finally, press D,U*5,L,U*2,R,U*3,L,U*4,L,U*8,R,U*2,R,U*2,L,U,R,U*4,R,U,L,U*2, and click the door, which is in the middle of the wall. It blends in, but you can find it by the doorknob.

  11. Halfway Break!

  12. Shoot lines spaced thinly in the block. When you find the key, click on it, then click on the door.

  13. Click the switch, and move your mouse away from the squares. If they hit your mouse, you must start over. Click the key, then click the door.

  14. Click the / file, then click K, then E, then Y. Take the key. Click the X in the upper right corner of the window.Click the file again, and click D, then O, then O, then R. Click the door.

  15. Right click to see which mouse your mouse is and move it to the key. Click the key, right click to find your mouse again, and move it to the door. Click the door.

  16. Click "LOAD." Drag the loading bar to the right to get the door, and then drag the "LOAD" button down to see the key. Click the key, then click the door.

  17. 3/4 Break!

  18. Move your mouse along the right side of the envelope until a part folds up. Click it and quickly drag it to the right. If it does not come off fully, drag to the left, and then right again. Click the top part of the envelope, and drag up quickly. Take the key. Click the tab that you pulled off. Click the door in the middle of it.

  19. Quickly move your mouse back and forth across the fan until the block above it lifts up. Quickly click the key. Click the door.

  20. 7/8 Break!

  21. Click the key. Click the sword. Cut one block off at the very top, and the other above the line between the dark and light sections. Do this before the first block grows back. Click the door.

  22. Make the numbers say 3+5=8 to get the key. Take one block from the 8, and make the numbers say 3+6=9 to get the door.

  23. Take the code from level ten, and enter it into the 5 blocks at the top. Each number corresponds to the number of clicks necessary. This will unlock the door. Then, click the keypad in the middle (looks like a lego brick.) Click to the right of it. Take the key and open the door.

  24. Turn the sounds that you like on. Wait for the credits to finish scrolling by. Click the key. Click the door.

END!

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Dodd the Hammer March 14, 2009 7:05 PM

Level 20:

First go to Level 10 and complete the Y in the word "KEY" spelled out by the maze. There is a button somewhere on the wall that opens up the stem of the Y. There will be a five digit number written on a note at the bottom of the stem. Write down this number. Go to Level 20. In level 20 there is a square with circles on it in the center of the screen. Click on the panel to zoom in. Click and hold the bottom left circle to make symbols appear on the panel. Each symbol corresponds to a typical number on any number pad (i.e. telephone) The shapes correspond to the 5 digits you found in Level 10. Zoom out from the panel and click the @ symbols to scroll through the symbols, putting the 5 digit number/symbol in order from left to right. A door should appear on the left of the screen.

The key to the door is on the right side of the panel. Click near the right edge to go into a side view of the panel.

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Maybe the key to 20 has something to do with the previous game and the fact that the rooms formed a key and this forms a door.

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The key seems to be hiding from me in #16

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Walkthrough:

  1. Open the book, get the key, open the door.

  2. use the magnifying glass to find the key in the sky, then use it on the door on the bottom right of the city.

  3. Turn ont he light, get the key and open the door. Your mouse is reversed.

  4. Click the coin, don't move your mouse. Then click the token a few times to reveal the door.

  5. Drag the circled around the sprial course following the arrows, and then drag it backwards around the course. Don't let go.

  6. Drag the circles at the bottom to the side to reveal what number to pick.

  7. Right click the objects.

  8. Pick up the board at the bottom. click and drag down to smack the board against the wall. The left middle area has the key and the right middle area has the door.

  9. Turn on all the lights on the left to get the key and then turn them all off to get to the door.

  10. this one is just a maze. The key is in the top right corner of the maze, and the door is in the wall on the top row of the map, 4th space in. The map looks like it was going to spell KEY, the door is in the upper right part of the K.

  11. Use the bullets to drill a hole in the block. The key was in the middle for me.

  12. When you turn on the light something will chase your cursor. Don't let it touch or you will have to try again. The key is where the thing that chases you comes from.

  13. Open the files to spell KEY, go back and then open the files to spell DOOR.

  14. This one is a bit confusing, but if you move your mouse outside of the window you will be able to follow it easier when you go back in because you will know where it started.

  15. Click load, it will stop part way, just drag the loading bar over to finish. Drag the LOAD button down to find the key.

  16. Ther is a tab on the left of the box, drag it to the right, and then drag the top portion up to find the key. The door is one of the parts of the tab you dragged over.

  17. move your mouse back anf fourth across the fan at the bottom quickly untill the platform the door is on raises, and then quickly grab the key, then open the door

  18. Grab the keu, then grab the sword. Click to cut over where the sword is, keep cutting the darker portion at the top until you get to the door.

  19. 3+5=8, and 3+6=9

  20. Okay so you need to go back to level 10. Remember when I said it looked like it is spelling KEY? Well it is. There is a switch on the wall on the left opposite the stem of the Y. That code will reveal the door in room 20. The key is on the right side of the pad. Zoom in and then click on the right.

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Is there a trick to 17?

So I'm spinning the propeller and the top part pushes up showing the key. The problem is that it drops so quickly that I can't even get my mouse remotely close to the key in time.

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On 20

The key is on the right side of the symbol pad once you zoom in on it!

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Dr. Worm Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 7:19 PM

On #17, I can get the key to appear, but not long enough.

Also, I'm completely lost with #10. I found the door, but not the key.

I'm kinda doing the levels out of order, by the way.

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I still don't understand 10! I have the key, but I can't find the door!

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Dr. Worm! I need your help! Where did you find the door?

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Graderade March 14, 2009 7:37 PM

For the key for #20:

You have to click to the right of where the key for the symbols are. The keypad should turn sideways, and the key will be there.

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Anyone else unable to open the door on the first screen (into screen)? I've picked up the key but the door becomes unclickable.

Ubuntu + Firefox 3.0.7

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how do you finish the bottom of the Y?

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Haiku-through

Are you getting stuck?
Want the answer for one room?
Read just that haiku!

  1. The key is inside.
    Open the book to find it.
    Then click on the door.

  2. Magnifying glass.
    Look for the key near the moon.
    Bottom right, the door.

  3. Click the switch. Your mouse
    Reverses. Click on the key.
    Then click on the door.

  4. Click the spot, then wait.
    Don't move until the key's shown.
    Clicking spot shows door.

  5. Drag spot, following
    The arrows. Drag back to start.
    Click key then click door.

  6. Drag the circles back
    And forth. The numbers show where
    The key and door hide.

  7. Right click on the key.
    "Get the key" from the menu.
    Do the same with door.

  8. Click the bottom shape.
    Drag shape on box to find key.
    Key left, door on right.

  9. Click small squares to change
    The pattern. Bright for key, dark
    for the door. Use switch.

  10. A maze. The map spells
    KEY. Don't miss the switch in Y.
    Door in K's right arm.

  11. Click to fire at shape.
    The key is somewhere inside.
    Random every time.

  12. Click switch. Avoid the
    Orange square. Get the key fast,
    Then click on the door.

  13. IMAGE is a clue.
    Folder K E Y for key.
    Same thing for the door.

  14. Lost mouse? Just right click
    To work out where you are now.
    Click key, then click door.

  15. Click LOAD. Drag LOAD down
    To find key. Drag loading bar
    To load hidden door.

  16. A box with zipper.
    Drag tab at left. Drag lid up.
    Find door on used tab.

  17. See fan at bottom?
    Move mouse left-right fast! Lift door.
    Quickly grab the key!

  18. Click key, click sword hilt.
    Click to slice the *darker* shapes.
    Lo and behold, door!

  19. Digital display.
    Make 3 and 5 equal 8.
    Same with 3, 6, 9.

  20. The keypad has key
    On right side. Corner button
    Shows the number scheme.

    A code from room 10
    Must be entered in spaces.
    Click switch, door. You win!

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I love these, put simply they are frustratingly brilliant!!!

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Hey everybody! Got Νο20! You just got to do some pixel hunting on one side of the button tableau.... :)

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A better haiku for level 6 (courtesy of the other walkthroughs' solutions) would be:

Drag the circles back
And forth. The numbers show where
The key and door hide.

A haiku to summarise the game:

Finding keys is hard!
Kagi Nochi Tobira
The Sequel. I'm stumped!

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stupidcheeseboy Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 8:29 PM

On sixteen Tom says
'Drag lid up' I have tried to
How do you do it?

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The other walkthroughs
Better describe. You have to
Move the mouse real fast!

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stupidcheeseboy Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 8:37 PM

A fast flick drag and
Deep Joy!! A Key is revealed!!
Cheers Tom. Now I sleep :)

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queen-of-diamonds Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 9:29 PM

And what exactly is a haiku??? Like a limerick? O.o

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kuzichan Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 9:40 PM

reminds me of hoshi no saga

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queen-of-diamonds Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 9:59 PM

Ok, cool game but L19 was absolutely annoying.

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17's just not worth it on a trackpad.

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Number 15 made me think, I should have faster internet.

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...and I think number 16 is bugged.

The top part doesn't come off..

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zbeeblebrox Author Profile Page March 14, 2009 10:29 PM

Love it, almost all the levels are really clever, except for 17, which is just obnoxious.

Here's a trick you can use if you're sick of waggling your mouse like an idiot, just to fail in the end:

After you get the propeller spinning enough that you can see the key, right-click your mouse. That brings up the Flash menu, which effectively pauses the game. NOW you can go click on the key at your leisure!

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Oops, nevermind about #16. Sorry.

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@queen-of-diamonds
a haiku is basically a poem that has a pattern in the number of syllables for each line. The most common one is 5-7-5 (five syllables on the first line, seven on the second, five on the third).
Using one of Tom's examples (where each syllable is in brackets):
[the] _ [ot-][her] _ [walk-][throughs]
[bet-][ter] _ [des-][cribe.] _ [You] _ [have] _ [to]
[move] _ [the] _ [mouse] _ [real] _ [fast]



Where exactly in level 10 is

the switch that opens the bottom of the "Y"? From what others have said, I think it's right where the stalk meets the rest of the Y, on the south or north wall. I haven't been able to locate the switch in either of those locations. Do I need to keep clicking, or am I looking in the wrong spot?

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Nevermind, got it

Level 10:

Location of the switch:

Starting from the top-left of the Y, go down 3 spaces, right one, then face north. The switch should be right there. Then you can go down the middle of the Y.

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Haiku:

I'm locked in. Where's Key?
I found it! Where did Door Go?
Found you, Door! ANOTHER ROOM?!?!

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Wait my last line to:

Found yo, Door! MORE ROOMS?!?!

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ProfessorZ89 Author Profile Page March 15, 2009 12:09 AM

Level Seventeen
Is Absurdly Annoying
Hardest On Trackpad

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Oh, glorious day!
Long was this sequel wanted.
Love the walkthrough, Tom!

Oh, and if anyone ever gets asked "What's a haiku?" again, tell them this:

Five, seven, and five.
Three lines made from flowing words.
Thus is born haiku.

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This is a great game. The tiny window we have to play it in keeps screwing me up. I had to redo level 5 at least 4 times because my cursor kept leaving the window and the puzzle would get stuck. And now I'm wiggling my arm off on 17 and the propeller keeps losing speed because my cursor leaves the window. And now my shoulder hurts. :(

Thanks for letting me
Rant a bit 'bout what frustrates
Me to no end. Cheers!

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Sorry for double
Post; I just remembered the
Best haiku of all:

Haikus can be fun
But sometimes they don't make sense
Refrigerator

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BuenoCabra Author Profile Page March 15, 2009 4:34 AM

If Hoshi Saga
Was tedious and boring
It would be this game

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Anonymous March 15, 2009 4:53 AM

Really liked the one
With false directions for 10;
Quite irritating.

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can't do 16

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Anonymous March 15, 2009 11:08 AM

No 10. Even with the walkthroughs I can't get it. Is the word key spelled out to the right as you click on the arrows? I can't find the switch. Please help, thanks.

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Anonymous March 15, 2009 11:34 AM

No 16 -- How do you get the flap open?

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Games like this are great
But there's always one bad one
Number Seventeen.

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Here's how to solve rooms 10 and 16 in excruciating, non-haiku detail.

10:

Imagine you are in a maze, a 3D maze with walls around you. On the left side of the screen you have a view of the maze as you see it, as if you are wandering in it. The maze has orange walls and black floor.

Click the forwards arrow to move forward one space in the maze. Click the backwards arrow to turn around 180 degrees on the spot. Click left and right arrows to turn 90 degrees left or right.

As you move through the maze, you will notice the small black arrow on the right side of the screen moving around. This side of the screen shows you a top-down birds-eye view of the maze. The arrow represents you (your position and direction you're facing). Each orange box that appears represents one "square" of the maze that you can travel through. In gamer's language we would call this a MINIMAP.

As you continue to explore the maze, you will notice that the Minimap appears to spell out a word - KEY. You started in the bottom left corner of the maze, where the bottom left line of "K" ends.

To solve the room, you need to go all the way across the maze, to the top right corner of the maze, where you will find the key on the floor. Before heading to the door, you need to do something else. Starting from the square where you found the key, you need to go SOUTH 3 spaces, then WEST 3 spaces, then FACE NORTH. There is a switch on the wall. Click it. You'll hear something opening. Turn EAST, then go EAST 1 space, then face SOUTH and head SOUTH 5 spaces. There's a paper on the floor here. Click it. A 5-digit code will appear on screen. Write this down (you need it for a later room).

Now you can find the door and leave. The door is in the north wall of the upper right arm of the letter K (as seen on the Minimap). Only the doorknob is visible, and the door is very small compared to the size of the maze's walls.

16:

Imagine someone has mailed you a parcel and you have it sitting on a table in front of you. That is what the room looks like. You are going to open this parcel.

First you need to peel a tab that is holding the parcel closed. This tab begins on the left edge of the parcel, about 2/3 of the way up from the parcel's bottom edge. You'll see a visual change when you hover over the tab. Click and hold the tab to drag it to the right. The speed at which you do this is very important. I can't really describe it except to say it's fairly fast. Perhaps about the same speed that you would use if you were using Windows Explorer to move files around.

Keep trying until the tab has been pulled completely to the right. It should stay in place.

Now you have to open the lid of the parcel. You need to click and hold on the area of the parcel above the ripped tab (the mouse cursor should change to a hand). Then drag VERY FAST upwards and then let go. The speed for this bit is the speed that you would use if you were playing Kagi Nochi Tobira and your boss walked into the room, forcing you to close the browser window (!). The key is in the lid. To find the door, click the key first then click on the used up tab.

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for # 17, if you right click on the screen after the key has been revealed, it'll pretty much pause the game and give you all the time you need to grab the key.

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I'm sorry but I hated this game. It doesn't work the way it's supposed to, according to the three walkthroughs posted--the interface is just too difficult to use and that spoils any fun in the idea.

In particular, #16, #17, and #20 don't work for me. I've tried carefully and followed the instructions to the letter. I gave up because it lost any value after 5 minutes of frustration.

Lowest rating possible. Very lame.

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I had no problems with this game except on level 17, where the block kept dropping down too fast to grab the key. Even right-clicking to pause didn't work.

Finally, by feat of superhuman effort, I achieved it, and won. But everything else was fairly straightforward.

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I still can't get the code for level 20...

I found the paper in level 10, but it didn't show any numbers or anything when I picked it up. It just disappeared. How can I see the code?

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Fishy:

The code should have shown up below the map

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Stayponie March 15, 2009 11:02 PM

A simple concept
Of things you use everyday
Still makes you feel dumb

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darkxangel83 March 15, 2009 11:41 PM

i really liked this game except for that darn number 17. right-clicking didn't pause it for me...darn...

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LSN: Well... it didn't. I have no idea what I could possibly be doing wrong.

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OrigamiMarie Author Profile Page March 16, 2009 12:53 AM

This was pretty fun until 17. I'm sorry, 17 just doesn't work. I bumped up my mouse speed, but I just can't get enough speed with good aim. I have yet to see the cover over the key even waver. Challenges are fun, getting almost to the end but finding an impossible level is not. Oh well.

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Okay, okay. I take back all the nasty names I called Kagi Nochi Tobira months ago while trying to get past level 16 in the first game (I quit & never finished). I enjoyed this game. Level 17 pushes it, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

Some constructive criticism: Hand-eye coordination and reaction-time games may have their fans. But I, for one, prefer that such devices are not used in escape games. With all due respect, mixing the genres shows a lack of creativity. As if the designer used them due to laziness. Just my opinion.

In the end, I liked this game. It was inventive and fun. All is forgiven. Almost... LOL!

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Level 16: I can't seem to get the top off the box/envelope. I'm clicking and dragging up, in every spot, every speed, to no avail. Help?

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I tried the right-click trick for #17... Didn't work. I'm with OrigamiMarie, you shouldn't need to get an hurting arm just because the fan 1. won't easily spin fast enough and 2. looses speed the moment the mouse isn't touching it. It ruined an otherwise good game.

Level Seventeen
Will not be beaten because
My arm hurts so much

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OrigamiMarie Author Profile Page March 16, 2009 10:40 PM

Ow. That was stupid, but I got it. Ow. I had to wait until I was alone because handling a mouse like that just can't be explained. Ow. I think I'll go stretch now. Don't bother posting the next in the series if it requires that kind of mouse usage. Oh and I have a theory as to why it's so hard . . . it might be related to system clock speed. It might be perfectly reasonable on the developer's computer . . .

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This game is racist against fingertip mouses set into a laptop. levels 16 and 17 are impossible for me.

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I also cannot get past the opening screen. I take the key, but the door won't open. I've tried Windows XP on Firefox and Explorer.

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Enjoyed the first game
But level twenty was hard
This one is better.

More achievable
The puzzles were solvable
Thanks for the walk through s.

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Count_Spackula March 20, 2009 1:10 PM

I'VE FINALLY DONE IT!!
Although the walkthroughs(or the Haiku-through) were not much help for me on No. 20.

go back to level 10, looks like its spelling KEY? go to the middle of the Y, left one square the face the top wall. theres a button, then go back to the middle, down that bit, and theres a peice of paper with numbers on it. type these numbers in on level 20. (the five @ signs-they are number nines.see the pad. the key is on the side of the pad.

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Haiku for level 17

Laptop touchpad is
Not the right tool for the job.
I give up. Dang it!

Like level 5 of
First game, speed is key. Aim, fling
Mouse. Missed it. Repeat.

Using mouse, I strain
To lift the veil. There's the key!
Race for it -- too late.

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whoknows March 21, 2009 1:09 AM

Why include the mice?
That seems so random to me on level seven

Sorry, I'm picky. This is a strange special game...
This game is so hard!

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whoknows March 21, 2009 1:43 AM

discrimination
winning level seventeen
or at least trying
is not possible
when you use laptop trackpads
without an arm cramp

[Edit: Trackpads on laptops are not designed for playing games. You need a mouse. -Pam]

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Anonymous March 23, 2009 10:32 AM

Yay, I'm done I've completed all of the levels. I almost got stuck at level 20, but I did it. Hehe. Thanks for the walkthroughs. It's really a big help. By the way, this one's a nice game. =)

[Edit by Kayleigh]

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Awesome game!
Love the envelope,
but # 10 was difficult :O

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Great game! But I can't finish it because I'm totally stuck on #17.

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fetter_oml April 28, 2009 12:05 PM

my problem is:
in level 10, i found the switch, and even the paper, but it doesnt tell me any code.
there is just comming some sound like *boof*, but thats all :(

do i have to do any other motion than just clicking it?

fetter_oml

(yes, my english isnt perfect ... i know, its a foreign language for me)

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Guisella May 8, 2009 5:13 PM

I'm stuck on well #1. Open the book??? How do you open the book??!!! I've clicked everywhere, yanked, dragged and nothing! Its driving me crazy! HELP please!!

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Sylocat May 26, 2009 4:19 PM

I realize they didn't want to make it too easy, but did they have to make #17 QUITE so infuriating?

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They say seventeen
is difficult, but I think
it is obvious.

I want to have a
Kagi Nochi Tobira
3! What a great game!

Definition of haiku:

A haiku has three
lines, first five syllables, then
seven, then five more.

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leafboltor June 6, 2009 10:03 PM

I cannot for the life of me get past level 16. I know exactly what to do, but the game honestly won't let me lift the flap up.

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Actually, the switch on number 8 always changes its positions, so there can't be any specific directions. O.o

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I'm still stuck on this level. I try to do what people have said but every time I try the sword goes diagonally instead of horizantolly. What am I doing wrong?

Apparently touchpad must not be the way to go for this. Stuck on number 5 too

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I get the key to appear then it disappears on me and then I can't do the spiral again
I give up on number 5 as well as 18

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help i cant get pasts level 10 or 20 plz help me

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Help please, I really want to play this game. I loved the Hoshi Saga series and I know I would love this also. The site comes up but when it gets to the white screen it just stays there. Is this one of those games that the creator has taken off? Any help is much appreciated.

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Accursed puzzler!
Taunting us with keys and doors.
My touchpad fails me.

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COMPLETE ANSWER FOR ANYONE HAVING TROUBLE WITH #20

To get the door...

Go back to level 10.
Spell out the word "KEY" in the maze.(You don't really have to spell out the whole word. Just make sure you can get to the letter "Y".)

This part is for those who don't remember how to get to the stem of the "Y"...

The switch is on the "north" wall of the fist room to the left of where the stem should be. If you're in the correct room and you don't see it, make sure the black arrow is pointing up. If you still don't see it you're probably in the wrong room. If you don't understand which room it is in, check all the walls of all the rooms in the "Y". You have to flip the switch to get down the stem.

At the bottom room of the stem of the "Y", there is a piece of paper on the floor. Click on the piece of paper and you will see five numbers show up at the bottom of the screen. If you don't think you'll be able to remember these numbers, WRITE THEM DOWN, the numbers change every time you quit level 20, or enter level 10, so you can't come back to see them again. They won't be the same.

Now, leave level 10 and go back to level 20.
Click on the keypad in the center of the screen. Click and hold the bottom left button. Each symbol corresponds with a number on a telephone. Use the numbers on a telephone to find which symbols match which numbers.
If you want to know, these are the symbols that correspond with each number...

1= solid circle "☻"
2 = open triangle
3 = solid square "■"
4 = open circle "☺"
5 = solid trianlge "▲"
6 = open square
7 = solid star
8 = dollar sign "$"
9 = open star
0 = "at" symbol "@"

When you know all the symbols, click the anywhere on the background to go back to the full screen of the level. Click on each of the buttons until, you have the correct code in place.

Once you've put in the right code, click on the switch under the middle button and the door will rise up on the right.

To get the key...

Click on the pad with the 12 circles on it in the center of the screen. Click on the background to the right side of the pad. You'll see a side view of the pad; the key is there. Click anywhere on the background to go back to the full screen. Click the door and you're free to go!

Hope this helped someone

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Seventeen's too hard
Without a mouse -- impossible!
My arm is tired.

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Number 17;obvious and sad. How fast can you move your mouse to spin the fan . Hardly what I call a puzzle :(

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Anonymous July 11, 2010 4:49 PM

Level 10 does not give me a numerical code to enter in level 20: just a row of five icons. It is therefore impossible to complete the game. (Could this be because the game was designed for an earlier version of Flash?)

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not sure if you still need help for level 10, since it's been several months now ;)

but

the icons correspond to numbers

click the button on the keypad where the * usually is, and it tells you which numbers match with which icons

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...Ugh, wow. I just cleared level 17 on a macbook. I'm lefty, BTW, so in order to do it, I had to stretch my right hand across the keyboard to hold ctrl down (for "right click"), THEN waggle like crazy, which took quite a while to get to work right. And then also NOT MISS THE SCREEN WITH THE CLICK!

Never again.
I'm too annoyed to be able to make a haiku right now. Other than that one level, it's a good game though.

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