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Letters in Boxes #7

ArtbegottiIt's no secret that really unique challenges tempt. That's why for this week's Letters In Boxes puzzle, we're trying something different. We're giving you all the information you need to solve these puzzles upfront. In fact, you're reading through that deluge of information in this very paragraph. We hope you don't rail against us when you realize these puzzles might be a bit easier than normal, but we still want the experience to be gratifying. | For example, did you know that the average Letters In Boxes challenge takes 8,267,101 milliseconds to create? Also, did you know that the first random fruit I can think of is a lemon? But that's only because it was in last week's series. Anyway, that's probably enough information to crawl through, let's get on with the actual puzzles, shall we?

You've got all the information you need above, and now here's some information on how to play. Click on the starter puzzle below to open it up in a new window. Once you've fiddled around with it enough to think you know the answer to the puzzle, focus your attention on your browser's address bar (which in this case reads "http://images.jayisgames.com/lettersinboxes/startofseven.gif"). Change the filename (namely, "startofseven") to your answer, using all lower-case letters and no spaces (make sure you use the same extension and directory). If your guess is correct, you're on to the next puzzle. If not, you'll likely get an error message, but you can feel free to go back and try again.

Letters in Boxes #7 - Puzzle 1This batch of puzzles contains four puzzles to solve. On the fourth puzzle, you'll find the email address for sending your final answer. We'll hand out a prize to the first correct entry we receive, plus ten additional randomly-selected correct entries. Please include your Casual Gameplay account display name with your entry. You must be at least 13 years of age to enter. Only one submission per participant, please. Offer void where prohibited. Your deadline for submitting your answers is Monday, July 18th at 11:59 PM (GMT-5:00). Good luck, and don't forget that everything you need to solve today's puzzles are at the top of this post!

Update: Congratulations to these 11 winners! :D

  • ThemePark ...First!
  • BobBobBobson
  • ajslama
  • metacom
  • bluemoose19
  • OtherBill
  • sillyme2
  • Binks
  • DAM
  • Nigma
  • lemonsaurus
All eleven winners were given a choice of prizes or an entry into a GRAND PRIZE drawing to be held at the end of August! Congratulations and thanks for playing with us! Look for another Letters in Boxes again soon!

71 Comments

Argh...are the bottom boxes meant to be faded? And the shape looks somewhat like an elephant...aaah I'll solve this later, must sleep now...

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Ok, I think I get what the first puzzle stands for, but not sure where to go with it

Each word reads down, left to right, the first sentence of the review. "It's no secret that really unique challenges tempt"

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i'm already on the third puzzle. any help?

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 12:32 PM

I don't know if it was the changed format of this week's puzzle, or if my brain was just working today, but I found this puzzle to be remarkably easy. But a lot of fun too, so well done on this puzzle.

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Actually, to start it's much easier than you think.

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I got the first one thanks to ruka. But the second one is impossible. I'm no good at tehse puzzles.

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Saying that, I'm sure I've got the answer to three, but obviously something I've done is wrong...

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easy or not, i'm not getting it, lol

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MsMovieMaker Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 12:55 PM

I'm having trouble with three too.

What do you do once you know the words? Or is that a red herring?

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 1:01 PM

Edd:

For 3, think about this. Every action has a reaction.

MsMovieMaker:

You can count on the fact that the words are not a red herring, but merely the first step of the puzzle.

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any hints on one?
I've tried a bunch of stuff that to me at least seems could be right, and I'm getting nowhere

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jakramer75 Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 1:32 PM

Does anyone have any hints on where to get started for number 3?

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phatjak69 Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 1:39 PM

How about the last one, any hints?

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I'm a bit confused by the last one too

thought it might be letter coordinates but that doesn't quite work out

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well that tag didn't work.

[We use HTML tags here, as described above the comment box. Also, please preview your comment to be sure it looks correct before submitting. I've fixed your previous comment. Thanks! :) -Jay]

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I filled in the boxes on number 3 but now what?

I notice that

there are 10 unique letters in my 3 words and the puzzle is set up like a math problem.

Nothing useful has come out of that yet.

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Anonymous July 14, 2011 2:35 PM

Anyone know how to do the final one? What do the numbers mean?

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jakramer75 Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 2:44 PM

kubai -

how did you find those words?

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jakramer75 - If that was a hint: THANKS! It worked. If that was a question:

I found the words in the same place I found the words for the previous two puzzles, only this time I knew exactly where to look.

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@Rich What did I say that made you get #1? Cuz I haven't figured it out!

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Ruka -

You located the right source for the letters. Now, how can you pull a word out of there? Sometimes the initial approaches work best!

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@ruka

fill in the sentence, and look at the top row.

Your hint helped me solve it too! Now for #2.... ack

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 3:57 PM

Am stuck on #3.

I have the three words. I have solved the arithmatic problem (there are two solutions; the 3 and 4 are interchangable). I am now stuck on how to turn one of those solutions into a word. Ordering the letters by their rank doesn't work. I can't see a way to reuse the numeric clues on the solution to generate a word. Bah.

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I'll admit: #4 has got me stumped.

But I can help with the other three.

#1:

The boxes read from top to bottom. Letter count is key.

#2:

Two consecutive words fit perfectly into the boxes. The bold lines indicate a word within the words.

#3:

The first number is sentence; the second, word.

The first two words add together to produce the third.

Once you've transformed the letters into numbers, do the reverse to understand the meaning of the milliseconds.

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:02 PM

DOH! Thank you Ryusui!

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thanks for the help on 1 guys.

on two, had that thought that it's two words, and in the inner bracket is a word that goes to next puzzle. I'm starting with the second sentence of the paragraph, "We're trying" -> retrying as answer, didn't work

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@ruka:

No punctuation in the correct answer. Don't worry, it'll leap out at you when you spot it.

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:13 PM

Ryusui:

Now that you are at #4, you have come full circle. Think of what half of these great numbers have in common. But focus not on the nominations for this.

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:15 PM

Ryusui, sorry I made a mistake. Here's a correction to part of my hint.

Remember, less is more. And focus on multiple numbers.

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I've figured out the answer to #3, but I'm not sure how that leads me to the solution. :-(

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:18 PM

OtherBill:

Follow the instructions given to you in this article. Put your car into reverse.

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thomstel July 14, 2011 4:23 PM

BWAHAHA! Finally got #3.

Man, I must have tried two dozen ways to work from the words to numerals, and finally got it. The hints make it clear as day now. Phew!

On to #4...c'mon brain don't fail me now!

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ThemePark - Thanks for the help on #4. I had the method in mind, I just didn't want to believe it was true...

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So, my thought process for #3 is...

Rail + Crawl = Deluge

by Letter ranks
18-1-9-12= 40
3-18-1-23-12 = 57
4-5-12-21-7-5 = 54

Which doesn't add up, so I'm confused....

AND I'm not seeing what those #'s have to do with the millisecond # as the comments suggest.

And thinking by letter rank, 8,267,101
is either Hbfgka or hzgka.

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Ruka - Note that there are 10 unique letters...

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@Ruka:

It's a Word Math puzzle. Figure out which numbers correspond to the letters.

The digit count is a spoiler. If a four-digit number plus a five-digit number equals a six-digit number, that pretty much gives away what C, D and E must be.

And if you know what E is, that gives away L.

Still stumped on #4, though.

I know that these are fractions and they have something to do with the word count - there's 135 total, divided neatly into 75/60 by that pipe symbol. Try as I might, though, I can't get the fraction values to correspond to any word or letter sequence that makes sense.

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:44 PM

On number 4, wow... just wow. If I'm right (and yes, I got a perfectly reasonable word), that was a lot of work to put into a hunch.

Some hints for my method:

Treat them as fractions

But you can't compare them as written

In the end, you can count on my reasoning being circular

It's not a random fruit

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@ryusui

what about c,d,e, l are you looking at? I'm thinking 3,4,5 and l is 12. you've probably made some logical jump I haven't. are you thinking of making 8,267,101 into a 7 letter word? what's the 0?

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 4:47 PM

On number 4, wow... just wow. If I'm right (and yes, I got a perfectly reasonable word), that was a lot of work to put into a hunch.

Some hints for my method:

Treat them as fractions

But you can't compare them as written

In the end, you can count on my reasoning being circular

It's not a random fruit

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@Ruka:

A four-digit number plus a five-digit number can only equal a six-digit number if...

...the five-digit number is OVER NINE(TY) THOUSAND!

So C has to be 9. D and E have to be 1 and 0 (do the math - there's no other way the numbers can work).

And with 0 in the ones column on the bottom, we know that L has to be 5 (5 + 5 = 10).

The rest is logic. There are ten unique letters and ten digits to puzzle out. Once you're done, convert the numbers in the milliseconds total back into letters using the same pattern.

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Anyone else have #4 yet? I'm at a loss.

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Help with #4 please?

Am I counting letters or words? Does this have anything to do with or in common with #3?

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Hint on #4:

A 360-degree angle...just looks like a line.

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Listen, people. If you're going to give a hint, try and look at it this way: if you write something that makes perfect sense and is really obvious ONCE YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll help at all if you don't know it. Try and think about that when you're making your hints, because some of them are absolutely useless unless you already know the answer. We're looking for hints, not prophecies.

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 14, 2011 10:55 PM

I disagree, DAM. There is some utility to a hint that only makes sense after the fact. If it's for an intermediate result, it can confirm that you are on the right track (which is important in #4, because the last step is a doosy and I suspect people might give up because it seems like such a bear). It is also useful in cases where the answer doesn't necessarily provide that Ah-hah! moment (which I contend is also true for #4).

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*sigh* Finally got it.

There are 360 letters before the | symbol.

Convert each of the fractions so that the denominator is 360 - for instance, 4/9 is equal to 160/360.

Let the tedium flow as you count out each and every letter position. Or copy the whole block into Notepad, strip out the punctuation and spacing with Find and Replace, and break it up into lines of 10 or so characters each.

Okay. #3? I thought that was freaking brilliant. Easily one of my favorites. #4, though, is less about brainteasing and more about leaping through a needlessly obscure logical loop only to find tedium on the other side.

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I don't mean to be rude, but as someone who still thinks of this as a competition, I'd really appreciate it if the hints were a bit less obvious. They're practically giving away the solution at this point.

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Ryusui, agreed about #4.

The line in the paragraph is supposed to be a hint, but it ended up sending me off on a tangent in a completely wrong direction. I actually didn't understand the significance of the line until AFTER I solved the darn thing.

Still, I suppose I can't complain too much because the first three were relatively easy, but clever enough to entertain.

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nerdypants Author Profile Page July 15, 2011 1:24 AM

I am. So stuck. On #3.

Am I correct in thinking the three words are rail, crawl, and deluge?

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nerdypants Author Profile Page July 15, 2011 1:32 AM

Ah, wait, nevermind! I got it. Man, these math ones really throw me for a loop. Maybe I've been out of school for too long.

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Again, I think #3 about hit the sweet spot as to what these puzzles should be like. #4 is an example of what they should try to avoid.

#3 is a three-part puzzle; each requires an intuitive leap, preferably some experience with other puzzles of the kind, but each individual piece is fun and challenging: first a book code, then Word Math, and finally a substitution cipher.

#4, on the other hand, is two parts, one needlessly baroque, and the other simply tedious. Assembling a phrase by counting through a string of 360 letters isn't challenging or fun; it's a chore. A good puzzle shouldn't be like that: your reaction, once you realize how to solve it, should be "oh boy!", not "oh crap!".

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chibzinator Author Profile Page July 15, 2011 3:04 AM

I prefer hints, cryptic as they may be, over straight out telling the solution. :/ I got the answer handed to me when I was just looking for gentle nudges. I suppose it's up to the puzzle designers/administrators to determine what crosses the line though. (Especially since a gentle nudge for one person can be a glaringly obvious hint for another)

Still, the third puzzle was my favorite of them all.

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Like Ryusui I think puzzle #3 was great.

It took me some time to figure out what to do as the second step, but it gave me a nice 'Aha!' feeling once I got it.

About number 4:

I wrote a simple script to do the counting for me. Took 2 minutes to code, and less than a second to execute. No tediousness for me :)

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I'm stuck in number 2, please help

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I'm stuck in number 2, any hints?

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raddaya Author Profile Page July 15, 2011 8:05 AM

I think if you solved the puzzle, you can post any spoiler you like, and by doing that you give permission to those who solve the puzzle by using your spoiler to post anything you like, and so on, and so forth.

If you don't want to know, just don't click the spoiler button. *shrug*

Now, I'm also stuck on #2.

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Is it wrong that I ended up writing a program to solve #4 for me?

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Okay, I think I got #4, except either my calculations or the soluion is off.

Big, big, big spoiler ahead. Do not click unless you've already gotten #4.

Is the answer meant to be Pastinaca sativa? Because the alveolar got all labial and that's just not right.

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kdausman Author Profile Page July 15, 2011 12:51 PM

ray9na:

That is indeed what I got, hence my statement earlier that this puzzle lacked the "Ah-hah" feeling of most.

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Please help for number 2 ......

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@Kyuu:

Two consecutive words fit in the grid: a five-letter word followed immediately by a six-letter word. Believe it or not, there's only one pair in the entire paragraph that fits this description. Once you've found the words, look at the letters encapsulated by the bold border to find your answer.

It is highly unlikely that a lemon is the primary chance-based fruit that the author thought of.

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raddaya Author Profile Page July 16, 2011 3:00 AM

About #2...

If the words are "first" and "random", making "sd", well, that's not the answer and neither is lemonsd.

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Rgandum Author Profile Page July 16, 2011 6:22 AM

I know it must be obvious for all of you. But I'm really stuck at #1... Any hint?

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raddaya at 2:

You got correct words "first" and "random". Now put them together and read the word from brackets firSTRANDom.

Rgandum at 1:

First sentence itself is the hint. What can you do with words "It's no ..."?

And my attempt at 4:

Answer is zshnsip :)

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raddaya Author Profile Page July 16, 2011 7:14 AM

At 3. Got the words without the hints(SHOCKER!)

Am slightly confused. OK, not slightly.

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Tonypa, thank you so much! I hadn't read the text, I just opened the puzzle and it was making no sense =P

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nerdypants Author Profile Page July 16, 2011 1:28 PM

tonypa, about #4:

I think you're on the right track, but you need to recount. You have some letters right, but obviously some are wrong.

It took me like three tries to get the right answer for that last one.

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RainbowOfChaos Author Profile Page July 16, 2011 4:11 PM

Great puzzles this week, but they were kind of easy. Here are some hints:

1.

It's no secret that this has nothing to do with elephants.

2.

Maybe the lemon's friends know something!

3.

Those numbers look like they want to extract some gems from that word mine! Maybe you should convert their time to milliseconds.

4.

Count some words, convert those fractions, and maybe you'll win 360 scoops of ice cream!

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This is the first time I've gotten a final answer wrong, although I was quite close and suspected what the answer was. I must have miscounted.

*contemplates going back and working out the correct answer*

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ThemePark Author Profile Page July 22, 2011 3:49 PM

Umm...isn't it about time you updated the post with the winners? I kinda like to see my own name up there. :P

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